PleaseRobMe.com now considered harmful [Week in Bullshit Redux]

Earlier this week we highlighted the confused rubbish that PleaseRobMe.com was spouting about privacy and location-based services such as FourSquare. The site was intended to ‘raise awareness’ the creators claimed…

I disagreed:

…they can’t have it both ways… There’s either a genuine problem – in which case their tool pinpoints those at risk. Or there’s not – in which case they’re just toying with fears over on-line privacy…

What’s happened tonight is the worse of both worlds… If the [updated: now confirmed] report below is correct, Foursquare user Carri Bugbee has been harassed by two morons whilst out to dinner

Facebook report of PleaseRobMe.com-inspired harassment

Foursquare user Carri Bugbee reports harassment inspired by PleaseRobMe.com. She's right of course and finding someone at a restaurant they checked into isn't actually a privacy risk...

It’s unlikely that the people in question had any concern for Carri’s safety or privacy (and in-fact it was not at any risk as she herself points our), but PleaseRobMe.com’s irresponsible message that people who use these services are idiots creating ‘opportunities’ has inspired them to cause her distress.

The creators should acknowledge they haven’t identified a new privacy threat and close the site down before this type of incident is repeated. Their message (written and implied) has done harm now.

Source: Twitpic from Twitter user @jess3 via @payamd

  • Dino Allsman

    pleaserobme is just pulling a search string from twitter. If you go to search.twitter.com and type in 4sq.com, you’ll get the exact same results. That website isn’t the problem. The problem is people who post their location nonstop to the public all day.

  • Dino Allsman

    pleaserobme is just pulling a search string from twitter. If you go to search.twitter.com and type in 4sq.com, you'll get the exact same results. That website isn't the problem. The problem is people who post their location nonstop to the public all day.

  • Dino Allsman

    pleaserobme is just pulling a search string from twitter. If you go to search.twitter.com and type in 4sq.com, you'll get the exact same results. That website isn't the problem. The problem is people who post their location nonstop to the public all day.

  • Sam Garner

    I agree with Dino they shouldn’t be showing their location to everyone, they should have known that something such as this would happen eventually. I for one wouldn’t want people to know my exact location anyways.

  • Chris Tomkinson

    Moderator edit: Comment removed due to offensive language – we don’t use those words to describe women on this blog.

  • Roy Gerbil

    Don’t people normally get upset when their privacy gets invaded? So why is it suddenly okay for the entire world to track everyone’s location in real time? I bet the same people who broadcast every little detail of their life are the same people who whine about the government when they find out our phone calls are being listened to or cameras are watching us in public. I’m looking at your stupid ass, Carri!

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    You’re right about how it works but wrong about the rest… This lady decided to tweet her location – she hasn’t complained about privacy. She complained about someone harassing her… just as she would as if they had done it in person. PRM.com was just an easy way to target her.

    Perhaps you’d like to be open and admit you were responsible rather than defending this pathetic behaviour – [link removed] ? What have you proved with this stunt… that you can abuse random women by phone? Sure, but you haven’t validated PRM.com’s point, because at no point was her home in any danger of being robbed.

    It’s also interesting that you choose to lecture people on online privacy – using your name above and email address I was able to find [personal information]. By your rationale I could publish this or use it to harass you…

    Edit: Removed links as the people responsible don’t deserve any more publicity.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I’ve removed multiple comments with offensive language or from other people in the groups responsible for this who chose not to disclose their association. Genuine comments (including from those involved) are welcome if you’re open, honest and polite, but otherwise you’ll be banned.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Well Sam by posting here you’ve revealed exactly which town in the US you’re currently in. The point is if we’re going to have social conversations with on the web we’ll inevitably need to reveal some information about ourselves, but that doesn’t give anyone the right to harass you any more than if they saw you in person.

    Right now I’m in Twickenham, just outside London in the UK. How much greater risk am I or my home at by telling you that than I was a few minutes ago? None.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    I have to agree with Dino that the PRM site isn’t the problem – in fact you agreed with that much when you said “PRM.com was just an easy way to target her”. The problem is with the kind of arsehole who thinks it’s acceptable or amusing to harass anybody (about their privacy choices or any other subject) and we have laws for that kind of thing.

    The existence or non-existence of PRM would make no difference to this incident. The existence or non-existence of arsehole prank callers would.

  • http://www.adonisdemon.com Abul

    In my opinion. PRM.com fails in the first instance. It assumes you are a single person living on your own and that just because you’ve check in somewhere publicly there isn’t someone at your home – and it still doesn’t give out your actual address.

    Taunting or abusing someone who checked in somewhere via 4Sq is plain wrong. Proves nothing, other than the fact their homewasn’t burgled (in this instance) and idiots exist everywhere.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “they should have known that something such as this would happen eventually”

    That just makes no sense whatsoever. Most people go to work every day, but they shouldn’t have to expect to be prank-called there. Nor should people have to expect to be prank-called when they’re at a bar, restaurant, friend’s house, or any other location, regardless of whether that location is public knowledge or not.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I agree entirely on the general point. However, I think PRM’s language and imagery encourages morons (like these ones) to view Foursquare users as justifiable targets by implying they deserve something bad to happen as a result of using the service. Not sure if incitement to harass people is a crime, but it’s certainly irresponsible.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    Yeah, I initially thought they were doing something clever, i.e. picking out people whose home location could be algorithmically determined with a high degree of confidence AND who were currently checking into somewhere other than that location. As it stands, it’s entirely built on assumptions, without any clever code at all. I’m quite disappointed. :)

    I still think the site (or its concept) is a good discussion-starter for raising awareness of privacy issues, but as Ben says above their language is far too sure of itself, taking all of their unfounded assumptions as if they’re solid facts and leveraging them into something fairly accusatory.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    Point of order; his email address isn’t public information here. :)

  • Dino Allsman

    I hope you didn’t look up all that information on Dino, because I’m not Dino. Dino doesn’t run phonelosers.org. As far as the real me, yes, I have a home page will all of my information on it. Bragging that you found all this information on me would be silly since I put it out there for everyone. I even have a Foursquare account that I use. I would love for people to harass me at a bar like they did Carri. I wouldn’t freak out like Carri did, I would enjoy the bizarre experience.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    It is to me as moderator of this site so I can look it up… but since you can now Google the post I’ve linked [now removed] you don’t even need that to track down the info I listed now.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    No, you’re Brad Carter and I was referring to you… and of course you put that info out there. Just as Carri did.

    It doesn’t look like she enjoyed the experience, but why would anyone like to be called a ‘stupid bitch’?

  • Sam Garner

    I agree with Dino they shouldn't be showing their location to everyone, they should have known that something such as this would happen eventually. I for one wouldn't want people to know my exact location anyways.

  • Sam Garner

    I agree with Dino they shouldn't be showing their location to everyone, they should have known that something such as this would happen eventually. I for one wouldn't want people to know my exact location anyways.

  • John Kramer

    My first thought when I saw PRM was to create the profile of a young wealthy but naive playboy who updated a lot about how he had just bought the latest gadgets and was now out of the house.

    Then I would turn off the lights and wait for unsuspecting chancers to fall into my trap.

    I’ve always wondered what it would be like to take another person’s life and this way I could get away with it both morally (they were thieving scum) and legally (it was self defense).

  • Chris Tomkinson

    I also agree with dino. This Carri chick is a retard for posting her info which is open to the public to search. If PRM goes dark people will then just search Facebook manually. The lesson here is don't be a stupid bitch and post your location to a open, unsecure, public forum. Lock shit down!

  • Chris Tomkinson

    I also agree with dino. This Carri chick is a retard for posting her info which is open to the public to search. If PRM goes dark people will then just search Facebook manually. The lesson here is don't be a stupid bitch and post your location to a open, unsecure, public forum. Lock shit down!

  • Roy Gerbil

    Don't people normally get upset when their privacy gets invaded? So why is it suddenly okay for the entire world to track everyone's location in real time? I bet the same people who broadcast every little detail of their life are the same people who whine about the government when they find out our phone calls are being listened to or cameras are watching us in public. I'm looking at your stupid ass, Carri!

  • Roy Gerbil

    Don't people normally get upset when their privacy gets invaded? So why is it suddenly okay for the entire world to track everyone's location in real time? I bet the same people who broadcast every little detail of their life are the same people who whine about the government when they find out our phone calls are being listened to or cameras are watching us in public. I'm looking at your stupid ass, Carri!

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    You're right about how it works but wrong about the rest… This lady decided to tweet her location – she hasn't complained about privacy. She complained about someone harassing her… just as she would as if they had done it in person. PRM.com was just an easy way to target her.Perhaps you'd like to be open and admit you were responsible rather than defending this pathetic behaviour – http://www.phonelosers.org/pla-radio-episode-27... ? What have you proved with this stunt… that you can abuse random women by phone? Sure, but you haven't validated PRM.com's point, because at no point was her home in any danger of being robbed.It's also interesting that you choose to lecture people on online privacy – using your name and email address I was able to find your name, home town, age, occupation, employer, income-band, height, weight and several pictures of you including ones with your children. By your rationale I could publish this or use it to harass you…

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    You're right about how it works but wrong about the rest… This lady decided to tweet her location – she hasn't complained about privacy. She complained about someone harassing her… just as she would as if they had done it in person. PRM.com was just an easy way to target her.

    Perhaps you'd like to be open and admit you were responsible rather than defending this pathetic behaviour – http://www.phonelosers.org/pla-radio-episode-27... ? What have you proved with this stunt… that you can abuse random women by phone? Sure, but you haven't validated PRM.com's point, because at no point was her home in any danger of being robbed.

    It's also interesting that you choose to lecture people on online privacy – using your name and email address I was able to find your name, home town, age, occupation, employer, income-band, height, weight and several pictures of you including ones with your children. By your rationale I could publish this or use it to harass you…

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I've removed multiple comments with offensive language or from other people in the groups responsible for this who chose not to disclose their association. Genuine comments (including from those involved) are welcome if you're open, honest and polite, but otherwise you'll be banned.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I've removed multiple comments with offensive language or from other people in the groups responsible for this who chose not to disclose their association. Genuine comments (including from those involved) are welcome if you're open, honest and polite, but otherwise you'll be banned.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Well Sam by posting here you've revealed exactly which town in the US you're currently in. The point is if we're going to have social conversations with on the web we'll inevitably need to reveal some information about ourselves, but that doesn't give anyone the right to harass you any more than if they saw you in person.Right now I'm in Twickenham, just outside London in the UK. How much greater risk am I or my home at by telling you that than I was a few minutes ago? None.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Well Sam by posting here you've revealed exactly which town in the US you're currently in. The point is if we're going to have social conversations with on the web we'll inevitably need to reveal some information about ourselves, but that doesn't give anyone the right to harass you any more than if they saw you in person.

    Right now I'm in Twickenham, just outside London in the UK. How much greater risk am I or my home at by telling you that than I was a few minutes ago? None.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    I have to agree with Dino that the PRM site isn't the problem – in fact you agreed with that much when you said “PRM.com was just an easy way to target her”. The problem is with the kind of arsehole who thinks it's acceptable or amusing to harass anybody (about their privacy choices or any other subject) and we have laws for that kind of thing.The existence or non-existence of PRM would make no difference to this incident. The existence or non-existence of arsehole prank callers would.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    I have to agree with Dino that the PRM site isn't the problem – in fact you agreed with that much when you said “PRM.com was just an easy way to target her”. The problem is with the kind of arsehole who thinks it's acceptable or amusing to harass anybody (about their privacy choices or any other subject) and we have laws for that kind of thing.

    The existence or non-existence of PRM would make no difference to this incident. The existence or non-existence of arsehole prank callers would.

  • http://www.adonisdemon.com Abul

    In my opinion. PRM.com fails in the first instance. It assumes you are a single person living on your own and that just because you've check in somewhere publicly there isn't someone at your home.Taunitng or abusing someone who checked in somewhere via 4Sq is plain wrong. Proves nothing, other than the fact their homewasn't burgled (in this instance) and idiots exist everywhere.

  • http://www.adonisdemon.com Abul

    In my opinion. PRM.com fails in the first instance. It assumes you are a single person living on your own and that just because you've check in somewhere publicly there isn't someone at your home.

    Taunitng or abusing someone who checked in somewhere via 4Sq is plain wrong. Proves nothing, other than the fact their homewasn't burgled (in this instance) and idiots exist everywhere.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “they should have known that something such as this would happen eventually”That just makes no sense whatsoever. Most people go to work every day, but they shouldn't have to expect to be prank-called there. Nor should people have to expect to be prank-called when they're at a bar, restaurant, friend's house, or any other location, regardless of whether that location is public knowledge or not.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “they should have known that something such as this would happen eventually”

    That just makes no sense whatsoever. Most people go to work every day, but they shouldn't have to expect to be prank-called there. Nor should people have to expect to be prank-called when they're at a bar, restaurant, friend's house, or any other location, regardless of whether that location is public knowledge or not.

  • http://borasky-research.net/2010/08/29/getting-started-with-the-social-media-analytics-research-toolkit/ znmeb

    From the Twitter Rules: http://help.twitter.com/forums/26257/entries/18311

    “*Violence and Threats: You may not publish or post direct, specific threats of violence against others.

    “*Unlawful Use: You may not use our service for any unlawful purposes or for promotion of illegal activities. International users agree to comply with all local laws regarding online conduct and acceptable content.”

    Now, whoever called Carri clearly committed a crime – can we trace that back to PleaseRobMe? I think Foursquare and Twitter have grounds for a major lawsuit here.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I agree entirely on the general point. However, I think PRM's language and imagery encourages morons (like these ones) to view Foursquare users as justifiable targets by implying they deserve something bad to happen as a result of using the service. Not sure if incitement to harass people is a crime, but it's certainly irresponsible.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I agree entirely on the general point. However, I think PRM's language and imagery encourages morons (like these ones) to view Foursquare users as justifiable targets by implying they deserve something bad to happen as a result of using the service. Not sure if incitement to harass people is a crime, but it's certainly irresponsible.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    Yeah, I initially thought they were doing something clever, i.e. picking out people whose home location could be algorithmically determined with a high degree of confidence AND who were currently checking into somewhere other than that location. As it stands, it's entirely built on assumptions, without any clever code at all. I'm quite disappointed. :) I still think the site (or its concept) is a good discussion-starter for raising awareness of privacy issues, but as Ben says above their language is far too sure of itself, taking all of their unfounded assumptions as if they're solid facts and leveraging them into something fairly accusatory.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    Yeah, I initially thought they were doing something clever, i.e. picking out people whose home location could be algorithmically determined with a high degree of confidence AND who were currently checking into somewhere other than that location. As it stands, it's entirely built on assumptions, without any clever code at all. I'm quite disappointed. :)

    I still think the site (or its concept) is a good discussion-starter for raising awareness of privacy issues, but as Ben says above their language is far too sure of itself, taking all of their unfounded assumptions as if they're solid facts and leveraging them into something fairly accusatory.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    Point of order; his email address isn't public information here. :)

  • http://denny.me Denny

    Point of order; his email address isn't public information here. :)

  • Dino Allsman

    I hope you didn't look up all that information on Dino, because I'm not Dino. Dino doesn't run phonelosers.org. As far as the real me, yes, I have a home page will all of my information on it. Bragging that you found all this information on me would be silly since I put it out there for everyone. I even have a Foursquare account that I use. I would love for people to harass me at a bar like they did Carri. I wouldn't freak out like Carri did, I would enjoy the bizarre experience.

  • Dino Allsman

    I hope you didn't look up all that information on Dino, because I'm not Dino. Dino doesn't run phonelosers.org. As far as the real me, yes, I have a home page will all of my information on it. Bragging that you found all this information on me would be silly since I put it out there for everyone. I even have a Foursquare account that I use. I would love for people to harass me at a bar like they did Carri. I wouldn't freak out like Carri did, I would enjoy the bizarre experience.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    It is to me as moderator of this site so I can look it up… but since you can now Google the post I've linked you don't even need that to track down the info I listed now.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    It is to me as moderator of this site so I can look it up… but since you can now Google the post I've linked you don't even need that to track down the info I listed now.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    No, you're Brad Carter and I was referring to you… and of course you put that info out there. Just as Carri did.It doesn't look like she enjoyed the experience, but why would anyone like to be called a 'stupid bitch'?

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    No, you're Brad Carter and I was referring to you… and of course you put that info out there. Just as Carri did.

    It doesn't look like she enjoyed the experience, but why would anyone like to be called a 'stupid bitch'?

  • Dino Allsman

    I’d like to see you publish my occupation and employer since you don’t actually have that. Go ahead and post it here. I give you permission.

  • John Kramer

    My first thought when I saw PRM was to create the profile of a young wealthy but naive playboy who updated a lot about how he had just bought the latest gadgets and was now out of the house.

    Then I would turn off the lights and wait for unsuspecting chancers to fall into my trap.

    I've always wondered what it would be like to take another person's life and this way I could get away with it both morally (they were thieving scum) and legally (it was self defense).

  • John Kramer

    My first thought when I saw PRM was to create the profile of a young wealthy but naive playboy who updated a lot about how he had just bought the latest gadgets and was now out of the house.Then I would turn off the lights and wait for unsuspecting chancers to fall into my trap.I've always wondered what it would be like to take another person's life and this way I could get away with it both morally (they were thieving scum) and legally (it was self defense).

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/edborasky znmeb

    From the Twitter Rules: http://help.twitter.com/forums/26257/entries/18311“*Violence and Threats: You may not publish or post direct, specific threats of violence against others.”*Unlawful Use: You may not use our service for any unlawful purposes or for promotion of illegal activities. International users agree to comply with all local laws regarding online conduct and acceptable content.”

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/edborasky znmeb

    From the Twitter Rules: http://help.twitter.com/forums/26257/entries/18311

    “*Violence and Threats: You may not publish or post direct, specific threats of violence against others.

    “*Unlawful Use: You may not use our service for any unlawful purposes or for promotion of illegal activities. International users agree to comply with all local laws regarding online conduct and acceptable content.”

  • Dino Allsman

    I'd like to see you publish my occupation and employer since you don't actually have that. Go ahead and post it here. I give you permission.

  • Dino Allsman

    I'd like to see you publish my occupation and employer since you don't actually have that. Go ahead and post it here. I give you permission.

  • Sam Garner

    @Ben Just because it says I’m coming from a certain doesn’t make it true. How do you know I’m not using some other service to hide where I’m at, that is just ridiculous.

    @Denny It makes perfect sense, there is a difference between having information that is out there and actually advertising your where abouts every time you go to a certain location. Why would anyone with any common sense think that is a good idea.

  • Sam Garner

    @Ben I know you mean well by trying to defend Carri but by actually trying to defend the fact that putting your location out there isn’t a mistake is just being naive. PleaseRobMe.com is letting people become aware of the risks of geo-location based social networking. It makes no sense whatsoever to put your location on the internet where anyone can see it. On another note deleting posts you don’t agree with would further go to prove that if someone makes a valid point you find it acceptable to delete it.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam, I’ve only deleted posts with offensive language.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam, fair point. I don’t know for certain, but you are utilising a domestic internet service that identifies a specific location… However, most people don’t take steps to obscure their location and that doesn’t mean they should expect to be targeted and harassed.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    PleaseRoMe.com does (at least attempt to) say it doesn’t intend for anyone to be burgled. However the individuals actual perpetrating this harassment have been quite open about it.

    I’m reluctant to get into legal issues here as we’re more interested in the mobile / social aspects, but my personal view is that both parties have behaved irresponsibly.

  • Allix

    Breaking agreed terms and conditions is not a crime. Not sure about intimidation, however.

  • Sam Garner

    @Ben Just because it says I'm coming from a certain doesn't make it true. How do you know I'm not using some other service to hide where I'm at, that is just ridiculous. @Denny It makes perfect sense, there is a difference between having information that is out there and actually advertising your where abouts every time you go to a certain location. Why would anyone with any common sense think that is a good idea.

  • Sam Garner

    @Ben Just because it says I'm coming from a certain doesn't make it true. How do you know I'm not using some other service to hide where I'm at, that is just ridiculous.

    @Denny It makes perfect sense, there is a difference between having information that is out there and actually advertising your where abouts every time you go to a certain location. Why would anyone with any common sense think that is a good idea.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “Just because it says I’m coming from a certain [?] doesn’t make it true”

    Just because people check into somewhere on Foursquare doesn’t make it true either – it’s not actually a geolocation service, you can tell it you’re miles away from where you are and it will believe you.

    Advertising your location is useful for various social reasons. It’s not an invite to harassment, just as walking down the street isn’t an invite to harassment.

  • Sam Garner

    @Ben I know you mean well by trying to defend Carri but by actually trying to defend the fact that putting your location out there isn't a mistake is just being naive. PleaseRobMe.com is letting people become aware of the risks of geo-location based social networking. It makes no sense whatsoever to put your location on the internet where anyone can see it. On another note deleting posts you don't agree with would further go to prove that if someone makes a valid point you find it acceptable to delete it.

  • Sam Garner

    @Ben I know you mean well by trying to defend Carri but by actually trying to defend the fact that putting your location out there isn't a mistake is just being naive. PleaseRobMe.com is letting people become aware of the risks of geo-location based social networking. It makes no sense whatsoever to put your location on the internet where anyone can see it. On another note deleting posts you don't agree with would further go to prove that if someone makes a valid point you find it acceptable to delete it.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam, I've only deleted posts with offensive language.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam, I've only deleted posts with offensive language.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam, fair point. I don't know for certain, but you are utilising a domestic internet service that identifies a specific location… However, most people don't take steps to obscure their location and that doesn't mean they should expect to be targeted and harassed.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam, fair point. I don't know for certain, but you are utilising a domestic internet service that identifies a specific location… However, most people don't take steps to obscure their location and that doesn't mean they should expect to be targeted and harassed.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    PleaseRoMe.com does (at least attempt to) say it doesn't intend for anyone to be burgled. However the individuals actual perpetrating this harassment have been quite open about it.I'm reluctant to get into legal issues here as we're more interested in the mobile / social aspects, but my personal view is that both parties have behaved irresponsibly.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    PleaseRoMe.com does (at least attempt to) say it doesn't intend for anyone to be burgled. However the individuals actual perpetrating this harassment have been quite open about it.

    I'm reluctant to get into legal issues here as we're more interested in the mobile / social aspects, but my personal view is that both parties have behaved irresponsibly.

  • Allix

    Breaking agreed terms and conditions is not a crime. Not sure about intimidation, however.

  • Allix

    Breaking agreed terms and conditions is not a crime. Not sure about intimidation, however.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “Just because it says I'm coming from a certain [?] doesn't make it true”Just because people check into somewhere on Foursquare doesn't make it true either – it's not actually a geolocation service, you can tell it you're miles away from where you are and it will believe you.Advertising your location is useful for various social reasons. It's not an invite to harassment, just as walking down the street isn't an invite to harassment.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “Just because it says I'm coming from a certain [?] doesn't make it true”

    Just because people check into somewhere on Foursquare doesn't make it true either – it's not actually a geolocation service, you can tell it you're miles away from where you are and it will believe you.

    Advertising your location is useful for various social reasons. It's not an invite to harassment, just as walking down the street isn't an invite to harassment.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    “Advertising your location is useful for various social reasons. It’s not an invite to harassment, just as walking down the street isn’t an invite to harassment.”

    Bingo. Exactly.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Agreed. However, in some places recording a telephone call without both party’s consent is a crime.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I was referring to the radio show you host, but that’s hardly the point. Given you share just as much information about yourself as the lady you abused does I don’t really see how you can presume to lecture others on ‘raising awareness to the security and privacy issues’.

  • http://www.hotcajunrecipes.com/ Cajun Recipes

    I saw a story on the local news and they were interviewing people who were ‘outraged’ and ‘appalled’ by PleaseRobMe.com .. They thought that something had to be done! Well here’s a hint, stop posting that kind of information. I think the website does a great service in spotlighting people’s lackadaisical attitude when it comes to posting personal information on the internet. Something is being done and it’s being done by PleaseRobMe.com

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    “Advertising your location is useful for various social reasons. It's not an invite to harassment, just as walking down the street isn't an invite to harassment.”

    Bingo. Exactly.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    “Advertising your location is useful for various social reasons. It's not an invite to harassment, just as walking down the street isn't an invite to harassment.”Bingo. Exactly.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Agreed. However, in some places recording a telephone call without both party's consent is a crime.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Agreed. However, in some places recording a telephone call without both party's consent is a crime.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I was referring to the radio show you host, but that's hardly the point. Given you share just as much information about yourself as the lady you abused does I don't really see how you can presume to lecture others on 'raising awareness to the security and privacy issues'.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I was referring to the radio show you host, but that's hardly the point. Given you share just as much information about yourself as the lady you abused does I don't really see how you can presume to lecture others on 'raising awareness to the security and privacy issues'.

  • Dino Allsman

    And ignored posts where I asked you to prove your previous claims. Because you can’t.

    Also, careful everyone! Ben will post your real full name on the comments if he doesn’t like you. He did that to me.

  • Sam Garner

    Oh no, Please don’t post my name people might call me by it. Listen Ben before you go off on a rant about how we’re all morons please take into consideration the good that pleaserobme.com is doing. People aren’t actually expected to rob peoples houses. I would go as far as to say they are actually doing a great service for people. I would even stretch to say that it’s a good thing we got to them before someone that actually intended to harm them did.

  • http://www.hotcajunrecipes.com/ Cajun Recipes

    I saw a story on the local news and they were interviewing people who were 'outraged' and 'appalled' by PleaseRobMe.com .. They thought that something had to be done! Well here's a hint, stop posting that kind of information. I think the website does a great service in spotlighting people's lackadaisical attitude when it comes to posting personal information on the internet. Something is being done and it's being done by PleaseRobMe.com

  • http://www.hotcajunrecipes.com/ Cajun Recipes

    I saw a story on the local news and they were interviewing people who were 'outraged' and 'appalled' by PleaseRobMe.com .. They thought that something had to be done! Well here's a hint, stop posting that kind of information. I think the website does a great service in spotlighting people's lackadaisical attitude when it comes to posting personal information on the internet. Something is being done and it's being done by PleaseRobMe.com

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    But why? No one – absolutely no one – has been robbed because of sharing their location from any of the research I’ve done. These morons are just using it as an excuse… They might as well have just worked their way down the listing in the phone book… it would have the same effect.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    See below for my actual response to your request.

    And I didn’t post your full name… you did. I just copied it from your website where you linked to this post.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam… I didn’t even question your identity, but since you refer to ‘we’ I’ll assume you are either Bradley Carter too or one of the other morons behind this.

    You’ve made your point and I’ll leave it posted, but I disagree and you’ve done nothing to further your privacy argument by your behaviour.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    But something isn’t being done – the website is shit. I checked in at home (my most frequently checked-in location), with a ‘home again’ message, and it posted me on PRM.com – that’s just stupid.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “it’s a good thing we got to them”

    Setting out to insult and upset people anonymously for your own amusement is not ‘a good thing’. It’s pretty much exactly the opposite.

    “Listen Ben before you go off on a rant about how we’re all morons please take into consideration the good that pleaserobme.com is doing.”

    Whether the site is any good has nothing to do with whether you’re a moron – it’s your behaviour that defines that. Clearly.

  • Dino Allsman

    And ignored posts where I asked you to prove your previous claims. Because you can't.Also, careful everyone! Ben will post your real full name on the comments if he doesn't like you. He did that to me.

  • Dino Allsman

    And ignored posts where I asked you to prove your previous claims. Because you can't.

    Also, careful everyone! Ben will post your real full name on the comments if he doesn't like you. He did that to me.

  • Sam Garner

    Oh no, Please don't post my name people might call me by it. Listen Ben before you go off on a rant about how we're all morons please take into consideration the good that pleaserobme.com is doing. People aren't actually expected to rob peoples houses. I would go as far as to say they are actually doing a great service for people. I would even stretch to say that it's a good thing we got to them before someone that actually intended to harm them did.

  • Sam Garner

    Oh no, Please don't post my name people might call me by it. Listen Ben before you go off on a rant about how we're all morons please take into consideration the good that pleaserobme.com is doing. People aren't actually expected to rob peoples houses. I would go as far as to say they are actually doing a great service for people. I would even stretch to say that it's a good thing we got to them before someone that actually intended to harm them did.

  • Sam Garner

    I was actually referring to we to distinguish us from some kind of sick pervert who would actually cause harm to these people. However you can make assumptions all you want.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    But why? No one – absolutely no one – has been robbed because of sharing their location from any of the research I've done. These morons are just using it as an excuse… They might as well have just worked their way down the listing in the phone book… it would have the same effect.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    But why? No one – absolutely no one – has been robbed because of sharing their location from any of the research I've done. These morons are just using it as an excuse… They might as well have just worked their way down the listing in the phone book… it would have the same effect.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    See below for my actual response to your request.And I didn't post your full name… you did. I just copied it from your website where you linked to this post.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    See below for my actual response to your request.

    And I didn't post your full name… you did. I just copied it from your website where you linked to this post.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam… I didn't even question your identity, but since you refer to 'we' I'll assume you are either Bradley Carter too or one of the other morons behind this.You've made your point and I'll leave it posted, but I disagree and you've done nothing to further your privacy argument by your behaviour.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Sam… I didn't even question your identity, but since you refer to 'we' I'll assume you are either Bradley Carter too or one of the other morons behind this.

    You've made your point and I'll leave it posted, but I disagree and you've done nothing to further your privacy argument by your behaviour.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    But something isn't being done – the website is shit. I checked in at home (my most frequently checked-in location), with a 'home again' message, and it posted me on PRM.com – that's just stupid.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    But something isn't being done – the website is shit. I checked in at home (my most frequently checked-in location), with a 'home again' message, and it posted me on PRM.com – that's just stupid.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “it's a good thing we got to them”Setting out to insult and upset people anonymously for your own amusement is not 'a good thing'. It's pretty much exactly the opposite.”Listen Ben before you go off on a rant about how we're all morons please take into consideration the good that pleaserobme.com is doing.”Whether the site is any good has nothing to do with whether you're a moron – it's your behaviour that defines that. Clearly.

  • http://denny.me Denny

    “it's a good thing we got to them”

    Setting out to insult and upset people anonymously for your own amusement is not 'a good thing'. It's pretty much exactly the opposite.

    “Listen Ben before you go off on a rant about how we're all morons please take into consideration the good that pleaserobme.com is doing.”

    Whether the site is any good has nothing to do with whether you're a moron – it's your behaviour that defines that. Clearly.

  • Chris Tomkinson

    Yeah Ben, Answer his question!

  • Mark Whalberg

    The statements of any web developer whose own personal site is that horrific is moot.

  • Mark Whalberg

    The statements of any web developer whose own personal site is that horrific is moot.

  • Mark Whalberg

    The statements of any web developer whose own personal site is that horrific is moot.

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